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Offline Veni_Zelos

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party differences
« on: March 11, 2010, 05:09:25 AM »
are there any?

is there any real difference between AAP and USWP for example other than the funny-if-you're-under-15 cookies arguement?

in other words, what is the reason for different parties? do people in eUS join parties due to personal friendships and possible RL affiliations with no or almost no real differences in the context of erepublik?

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Re: party differences
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2010, 05:28:47 AM »
are there any?

is there any real difference between AAP and USWP for example other than the funny-if-you're-under-15 cookies arguement?

in other words, what is the reason for different parties? do people in eUS join parties due to personal friendships and possible RL affiliations with no or almost no real differences in the context of erepublik?

Man is this more of a loaded question that you could possible realize,but still a good one. I'm going to offer you my personal opinion.

A party is its members. The only way to know if it's right for you is to get to know those people and see if their plans suit your interests. In another sense, they are technically all the same. They all compete for the same resources: members and congress seats. Just keep in mind that YOU are the potential resource to THEM, and so you hold the power. Don't commit to anything too quickly, because breaking from a party to another one can burn a few bridges.

Again, personally, I do not believe that political parties in eRep should really be categorized  by their political ideologies (as I don't believe there are any such things in the RL sense). It's more about the group dynamic and how comfortable you feel within it.

Finally, take your time.

I could go on, but that's the short story.

Nothing more than my $0.02.  I'm sure others will be happy to elaborate.



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Re: party differences
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2010, 07:24:07 AM »
I have seen nothing in all my time here that can distinguish one party from the other.  In the end, you join the same party as your friends, but other than that there is no difference.

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Re: party differences
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2010, 07:30:28 AM »
I have seen nothing in all my time here that can distinguish one party from the other.  In the end, you join the same party as your friends, but other than that there is no difference.

This. Also, bigger parties have more two-clickers so it makes it easier to get elected.
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Re: party differences
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2010, 11:44:17 AM »
Well, I don't really know any differences, but I joined the USWP because the people there are friendly, and it is a good environment for people who would like to start a political career.
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Re: party differences
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2010, 12:00:21 PM »
Is it safe to say that the party system in eRep is just about the same as cliques in high school?

Just wanted to add that in my question, I don't mean cliques a bad way but just social groupings that occur in grade school.



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Re: party differences
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2010, 12:01:48 PM »
Is it safe to say that the party system in eRep is just about the same as cliques in high school?

Just wanted to add that in my question, I don't mean cliques a bad way but just social groupings that occur in grade school.

I think of it as about the same.

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Re: party differences
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2010, 05:46:48 PM »
The primary difference is in the party machinery. 

The USWP has some good beginner support and (I believe) a militia.

The AAP has a good congressional vetting and support process.

Not sure about the others but I'm guessing the libs do a lot of social stuff since they all seem so tight.

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Re: party differences
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2010, 09:23:33 PM »
Is it safe to say that the party system in eRep is just about the same as cliques in high school?

Just wanted to add that in my question, I don't mean cliques a bad way but just social groupings that occur in grade school.

I think of it as about the same.
Parties, branches of the military, they're all the same.  This entire country needs to be revamped before it stagnates any more.
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Re: party differences
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2010, 11:54:14 PM »
Is it safe to say that the party system in eRep is just about the same as cliques in high school?

Just wanted to add that in my question, I don't mean cliques a bad way but just social groupings that occur in grade school.

I think of it as about the same.
Parties, branches of the military, they're all the same.  This entire country needs to be revamped before it stagnates any more.

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Re: party differences
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2010, 04:05:21 PM »
There are differences between the eUS's parties, but they aren't as simple as a position on taxes or foreign relations.  They are very subtle but existent; it has taken me four or five months being active in the party politics scene, something I never cared for to begin with, to expose their differences.
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Re: party differences
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2010, 04:47:31 PM »
There are differences between the eUS's parties, but they aren't as simple as a position on taxes or foreign relations.  They are very subtle but existent; it has taken me four or five months being active in the party politics scene, something I never cared for to begin with, to expose their differences.

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Re: party differences
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2010, 06:48:18 PM »
it has taken me four or five months being active in the party politics scene, something I never cared for to begin with, to expose their differences.

The bolded part surprised me.





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Re: party differences
« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2010, 06:45:36 AM »
i am guessing this is because RL affiliations have little to do with parties, or at least they are strongly kept out of the game, and the game mechanics people are running the country.

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Re: party differences
« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2010, 12:14:34 PM »
I really don't see too many differences between the parties other than their general level of silliness, friendliness, and the amount of people you have available for a circle jerk.  I personally like the more personalized touch of a small party. 

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Re: party differences
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2010, 02:05:41 PM »
Is it safe to say that the party system in eRep is just about the same as cliques in high school?

Just wanted to add that in my question, I don't mean cliques a bad way but just social groupings that occur in grade school.

I think of it as about the same.
Parties, branches of the military, they're all the same.  This entire country needs to be revamped before it stagnates any more.

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Re: party differences
« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2010, 02:21:31 PM »
I think below the top 5 there can be substantial differences(ideology/activity), but once a party hits the big leagues the differences start to vanish.

Realistically there's not alot of room for ideological differences. Most RL concepts don't apply. Any programs that do benefit the country/citizens in some way tends to be generally accepted as right and proper.

I'm actually thinking about voting Em for AAP elections just to see if he can shake things up a bit.

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Re: party differences
« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2010, 07:50:45 PM »
it has taken me four or five months being active in the party politics scene, something I never cared for to begin with, to expose their differences.

The bolded part surprised me.

This is something surprising to those who casually know me but not at all surprising to those who know me deeply.  I am a scientist, not a politician.  While some of you are excited by an upsurge in partisanship and a change in the nature of political involvement in the eUS, I am not.  I personally find it all rather petty, and it does the opposite for retaining me that it does for many of you political types.

There are differences between the eUS's parties, but they aren't as simple as a position on taxes or foreign relations.  They are very subtle but existent; it has taken me four or five months being active in the party politics scene, something I never cared for to begin with, to expose their differences.

Share, please.

I'd be happy to in private conversation, but because of time issues (partially) right now I don't want to type up a full forum post about it.  I am also willing to be honest about my impressions of the parties I've come to know and their changes over time, and this is too likely to offend people for me to want to make it all public.  I recall Richardson doing something like this many months ago over in the Political Parties board.
 
Without calling any parties out, they can differ by their treatment of new members, their recruitment philosophy, the average level of their members, the average income of their members, how interested they are in real-life politics, how militaristic they are (conversely, how anti-imperialistic they are), how democratic they are (party primaries for CP or a leadership council deciding such things), the probability that their freshmen Congressional candidates will win, the probability that a Congressional hopeful is allowed to candidate, their forum activity, and their IRC activity (and even the HOURS of their IRC activity*).
 
* Alright, this is one thing I will mention the parties by name.  It seems that the USWP wakes up the earliest while the Libertarian channel goes to bed the latest.

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Re: party differences
« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2010, 07:52:32 PM »
If MM2's plan succeeds for the AAP, then there will be some really major differences.

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Re: party differences
« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2010, 11:01:12 PM »
it has taken me four or five months being active in the party politics scene, something I never cared for to begin with, to expose their differences.

The bolded part surprised me.

This is something surprising to those who casually know me but not at all surprising to those who know me deeply.  I am a scientist, not a politician.  While some of you are excited by an upsurge in partisanship and a change in the nature of political involvement in the eUS, I am not.  I personally find it all rather petty, and it does the opposite for retaining me that it does for many of you political types.

There are differences between the eUS's parties, but they aren't as simple as a position on taxes or foreign relations.  They are very subtle but existent; it has taken me four or five months being active in the party politics scene, something I never cared for to begin with, to expose their differences.

Share, please.

I'd be happy to in private conversation, but because of time issues (partially) right now I don't want to type up a full forum post about it.  I am also willing to be honest about my impressions of the parties I've come to know and their changes over time, and this is too likely to offend people for me to want to make it all public.  I recall Richardson doing something like this many months ago over in the Political Parties board.
 
Without calling any parties out, they can differ by their treatment of new members, their recruitment philosophy, the average level of their members, the average income of their members, how interested they are in real-life politics, how militaristic they are (conversely, how anti-imperialistic they are), how democratic they are (party primaries for CP or a leadership council deciding such things), the probability that their freshmen Congressional candidates will win, the probability that a Congressional hopeful is allowed to candidate, their forum activity, and their IRC activity (and even the HOURS of their IRC activity*).
 
* Alright, this is one thing I will mention the parties by name.  It seems that the USWP wakes up the earliest while the Libertarian channel goes to bed the latest.

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